Georgian soldiers were shooting down women, old people and children in South Ossetia

#34
Fashist
1 сентября 2008 20:33
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Good. Some "real" russian motherfuckers have woken up.
Alex SK said:"Come here to London" - WTF are you doing there, traitor of the motherland? Get your ugly ass back to Russia and start working.
Or is it really easier to beg for scraps from the rich western people?
I know something you don't - everything that doesn't fit brainwashed russian moron's perverted view of the world is "western/baltic/whatever propaganda".
And yes - we are superior to you, lowlife. We can live free on our own country, make our own decisions and choose our own way of living compared to you, slave. It's not the shackles that make a slave - it's the way you think.

to RUS Iwan - fallen Georgian soldiers were robbed and left unburied. So much for the humanity and ethics of russian "peacekeepers".

#33
Alex SK
28 августа 2008 22:52
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You are just a very stupid moron, who repeat the propagandistic lies. You pretend to be an European, but you are not. You just pretend and try to be so. I guess you are one of these Baltic morons, who pretends to be a superior to other, but in fact are just a dirty shit. Come here to London and pretend for something... I guess the only what you could do here is to wash plates in any of Chinese restaurants

This was addressed to this Fascist Baltic/Ukrainian/Georgian shit, who pretended to be superior to other

#32
RUS Iwan
21 августа 2008 13:36
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The information which is dangerous enough (for Georgia) and very reliable.

From myself I wish to tell: what is the authorities bodies of their military men (by the way as it matches the statement of the Georgian management for losses) admitted what is it and have agreed to accept them in total more than 400 bodies, and some bodies still approximately 200-300 corpses, have refused to accept having referred on that that doubt their accessory to citizens of Georgia, or to its armed forces (it thus that corpses in the Georgian form, with the weapon and have been killed during fight) about what the document has been made, all bodies passed the Georgian party for are documented and photographed, is as also record video, as bodies and process of transfer to their Georgian party.

On the checked up data

The Georgian special services try,

Having received bodies before their delivery for an identification and a burial place,

Spend imitation of violations, of bodies killed,

Change clothes of the killed military men for civil clothes.

From above stated follows -

The Georgian party tries to hide scales of the military losses and tries to give out military losses for civil and as to forge the facts of violations, atrocities and a genocide...

If the given fact nevertheless is admitted by the Georgian party all persons involved in this fact, will be according to the law, are brought to the international criminal court - for violation of corpses and infringement of weight of other articles of the international criminal law, and also of some the international conventions.

#31
saakashvili must die
18 августа 2008 21:39
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Soldiers of saakashvili started to kill civilians.He is american puppet.All georgians are stupid if they have such president.It have to hang the murder

#30
Anti-Bush
14 августа 2008 03:01
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Saakashvili is a killer!!! We will fuck your ass and ass from your wife!!!

George W bush is a terrorist number one!!!

All americans are MOTHERFUCKER!!!

Bush, remember Iraq, Afghanistan, Serbia, Somalia and noe Ossetia!!! You motherfucker!!!

Bush, I have fuck your doughter and your wife!!!

All world wil you kill!

#29
Moslems
14 августа 2008 00:28
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Assalamu-Aleikum...It is war only 4 states - Georgia, S.Osetii, Abkhazia and Russia!! And the NATO and the United Nations is people which should observe only of it and be silent.. If even one country will interfere with it... It is waited with inevitable destruction.. And brothers moslems in it will help Russia!! Praise to the Allah!!

Non Russian, You whence hatched?? You the vermin, I shall arrive to your country and all there I shall cut, since your mother...

#28
Hans
13 августа 2008 19:50
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Saakashvili, you are the murderer. We will your kaputt maked ass!

Saakaschwili, du bist ein moerder, du amerikanische hure! Dein herr depp-ju bushman ist terrorist nummer 1. Wir werden dich, buschman, jusschenko, katschinski und anderen killer zu rechenschaft ziehen.

george bushmen (the master of saakashvili) is terrorist number one!

DOWN WITH THE USA!!!

#27
Non Russian
13 августа 2008 16:37
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”I asked about Russians. Or our lives you don't count?”

I do not know how many were killed, but I believe from occupants experience like (Israel-Palestine) could 1/10 of dead Chechens (Russian citizens).

Do you undestand what it means - 100 000 bodies? Where're they?”

In graves I hope. As I remember you claim 1600 bodies in 3 days (roughly 500 a day) of bombardment Russians killed Chechens for 3 years (roughly 1000 days) it comes to 500.000 bodies. So, it shouldn’t a big surprise to you when I write only 100.000.

”I am afraid you know nothing of that shameful war that was started by traitors in our governement.”

Oh, yes. Losers are traitors ruthless victorious killers are heroes.

”According to the geographical and political maps, Chechnya is the territory of Russia. And problems there are inner problems of our state. If you dare judge us by what you see on TV about it than better mind your own business you've got lots of problems yourselves.”

That’s right. This is the point. Why Russians don’t check political map and don’t mind their own business by interfering in Georgia’s inner problems?

#26
Fascist
13 августа 2008 13:41
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I already told you that there were Israeli and USA military instructors and advisors. So what? Georgia is a free country and can choose its advisors from anywhere in the world. They wanted the best available. What kind of military actions Georgia undertakes is Georgias problem.
About former Soviet Union republics - most of them are free democratic countries now with very well developing economies. No wars there. Yes - some former occupant assholes try to provoke something, but they are quickly detained and brought to courts. Under the Geneva convention SU (Russia - the occupier) was not allowed to deport its citizens to other parts of SU. That was a crime.
About mass deportations - entire population of Chechnya was deported to Kazakhstan. They were supposed to die there but luckily they survived. Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania had tens of thousands of people deported to Siberia after WW2 to die from cold and hunger. Luckily many of them survived.
About Israel - Hezbollah monkeys have bombarded Israel for years now - kidnapping one of Israeli soldiers was the last straw. Russia supported the monkeys with latest anti-tank rockets and unguided missile systems.So much for defending the peace.
Where are the 1600 dead people? Names, at least some proof that they even existed?
2000 people were evacuated to N-Ossetia before the hostilities started, most of the "civilians" left in Tshinvali were the Russian-supported "rebels" who started the artillery bombardment of Georgian villages on 07.08.2008. Lot of those "rebels" have been buried as civilians by now - unfortunately they were still wearing russian uniforms that gives a little different picture of their "civilian" nature.
Now Lilliputins lapdog is babbling something about bringing Saakasvili to Russian court. What an idiot - Saakasvili is a democratically elected leader of an indendepent country. Only Georgian or international courts are allowed to deal with him, morons.
What's that bullshit about "not hearing us"? Do you really think that all georgians were deaf? They were the first to know what their supreme commander is doing.

#25
Russian
13 августа 2008 10:40
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> How are they actually doing it at the moment, I wonder?

Who trained Georgian troops, supplied with weaponry and shut their eyes to first ours of war when civilians and Russian peacemakers were killed?

Was it not happening in the former Soviet republics? Is it not peoples of former USSR at war now?

Is it that "good anhd peace and democracy" Europe and US carryaround the world?

> So - are you proposing that if any "Russian citizens" happen to live in countries outside of Russia they should be sent back to their beloved homeland to prevent the fate of Georgia?

Gosh, what terrible things you write. =)

What about Israel?

Why did it levy war not so long ago?

Was it not because of a soldier?

One soldier?

One citizen?

And did they succeed?

And what "world community" said?

And you dare name us - defeding our citizens after 1600 of them were slaughtered - killers.

Shame on you, vultures, though it's pointess - you've got no soul.

> To remind you - Suhhumi is not in the warzone.

To remind you - cilivialns in Tshinval were not in the warzone.

> The killing of civilians in Tshinvali is a crime of course,

Nice. So you admit "the killing of civilians in Tshinvali is a crime". Very good.

So who made this crime happen? Who trained Georgian forces? Who attacked Tshinva while your press "watched Olympics"l?

> but so is the killing of Georgian policemen and civilians, which is still happening by the "peacekeeping" forces of Russia.

Who made them hide their forces in near by towns and attack from there?

Or may be they didn't care about their own civilians?

> If lapdog Medvedev is talking about punishment then it is a good time to remind him the constitution - only courts decide about these things.

Great. Moreover, he reminded YOU about constitution if your "democratic" press didn't cut his words of course. And in constitution there's a line that we must protect our citizens. Do you know how many Russian citizens were there in S-Osetia?

> Kosovo is not S-Ossetia in any way.

Yeah, it was too far to protect and UN peacemakers just gave it up like they did with KRAJINA SERBS.

> Saakasvili has made at least two peace offers, Mr Nobody Medvedev none. So much for "keeping the peace".

It's a bit hard to leave the territory which is uder fire, you know. Our troops tried to tell georgians that their president declared peace twice, but it was so noisy because of shells burst that they didn't hear us.

What had we left to do? We had to bring that joyful news to them. Now they know it.

> Georgia doesn't need to declare war on its own territory, idiot.

Yeah, they simply started killing civilians while your press "was in Beijing watching olympics".

There're photos at the front page, watch them and imagine yourself there and the ones who are precious to you. May be you'll be able to understand. Othewise, your soul and heart are already dead, you're a zombie - not a living being.

#24
Second part
13 августа 2008 10:35
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> What if Chechnya wants to be independent? You said it, fascist, remember - you said it. So - what if Ireland, Corsica, Basque Provinces, Quebec province and others want to be independent? What's the problem? Where's "world community" and "democratic press"? Why are they still parts of bigger states? Why civilians die, huh? What's your problem? Or "democratic press on Olympics"?

> And I'm not talking about a terrorist base camp for muslim extremists. // So who wants to be independent in Chechnya? Was there referendum like in S-Osetia? Or "independence" was declared by a bunch of terrorists who were killed like others and there was no talk about independence anymore?

#23
Russian
13 августа 2008 10:05
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It's incrediable, guys, if you are older than 20 and read nothing but "background info" above you're done for. I mean it's your choice to believe, not the way things really are.

> I would offer to check internet, but around 100.000 plus another 500.000 wounded. Out of 1.3mln population those are horrifying numbers.

I asked about Russians. Or our lives you don't count?

Then, you say 100 000 dead?

Do you undestand what it means - 100 000 bodies?

Where're they?

You say - around 500 000 wounded?

Do you know that most of the wounded die in the first 24 hours without medical aid?

Do you how hard it is to treat 500 000 wounded?

So where're they, where're piles of corpses?

Why your "democratic-necrophiliac" does not show them to you?

Have you seen pictures on the main page of this site?

Are you happy now?

Have you satisfied your hunger, vulture?

Because they're for your "belief", monster.

> Bombing was mainly during invasion. I would advice independent anti-American site like ”bodycount” to check.

So it's allright to invade sovereign state just because you thought they've got weapons of mass destruction. All you need is toadmit that you were wrong and keep on with invasion and you're forgiven, right? "We've done here. Where're those Russians again?" Yeah?

That's how you treat serial maniacs and killers? They admit what they've done and you let them free to commit more crimes. Incredible. In my country killers are punished, that's what you army does now.

BTW, it's not in Russia, it's in US where death penalty is still on, "democrats".

> but Chechens died from Russian hands.

So how many Russians died from Chechen hands?

Or it doesn't matter?

Or they're not people like Hitler considered them?

> I am afraid first Chechen War was nothing like that at all.

I am afraid you know nothing of that shameful war that was started by traitors in our governement. Traitors that Europe call "The best rulers of Russia" because they almost destroyed it. Not by the weapon of foreign army but by the hand of traitors within.

> It was invasion of Chechnya and killing everybody who is moving. The second you could claim that something like that but please, extend your memory.

According to the geographical and political maps, Chechnya is the territory of Russia. And problems there are inner problems of our state. If you dare judge us by what you see on TV about it than better mind your own business you've got lots of problems yourselves.

> Half a million only in the Baltic states which ceased to exist till 1990, and at least 15 other countries which ceased to exist as independent countries and stayed till 1989 as puppet countries.

I'll say more, when the USSR ceased to exist millions lost their homes, were killed in intestine strifes, died because of scaled down quality of life. That what your press call "democracy", that's what you do.

How many died in Iraq, Afganistan, Kosovo, Yugoslavia, KRAJINA SERBS?

Why don't your "democratic press" cry about them? About 1600 civilians in Tshinval? Vultures.

> Is it little out of 4-5 millions?

You're just like your press that cut "inappropriate" words of our Premiere about Georgia distorting the meaning. That's your double standard.

I said about traitors inside our country who are saying about millions killed for nothing during USSR period but like you they've got no evidence. And you can see the consequences of european inaction on the front page of this site.

Where are these "out of 4-5 millions"?

> Oh, yes in Chechnya Russians achieved even better results.

Yeah, in 1993 there lived 1103,7 thousand people and at the beggining of 2007 - 1183,7 thousand. Huuuge difference, you right. European civilizator Hitler would fear us like death.

http://chechnya.gov.ru/page.php?r=147

That's an official site, BTW. Use Googole Translate to explode your doubts and propaganda.

#22
Max
13 августа 2008 01:59
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"the Georgians were rude, disrespectful and ineffective."
"Georgian soldiers would hold families at checkpoints for hours even in extremely hot or cold weather."... "They did not try to give us services.
Instead, they were a source of annoyance by delaying us at their checkpoints and mocking the simple locals," said Salim Ali, a 45-year-old farmer.

That's what you got on yesterday's Yahoo by an Associated Press columnist - 'Georgian exit leaves vacuum near Iranian border' - http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080811/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq_georgia

Those Georgians were under a whatever international mandate under US and UK supervision.

Now, what would you think of Georgians who swept South Ossetia?

#21
Fascist
12 августа 2008 19:22
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What if Chechnya wants to be independent?
And I'm not talking about a terrorist base camp for muslim extremists.

> To let europeans destroy these countries like they do know?
How are they actually doing it at the moment, I wonder?

To remind you - Suhhumi is not in the warzone.
The killing of civilians in Tshinvali is a crime of course, but so is the killing of Georgian policemen and civilians, which is still happening by the "peacekeeping" forces of Russia. If lapdog Medvedev is talking about punishment then it is a good time to remind him the constitution - only courts decide about these things.

So - are you proposing that if any "Russian citizens" happen to live in countries outside of Russia they should be sent back to their beloved homeland to prevent the fate of Georgia?

Some background info
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB121850039382131705.html?mod=opinion_main_comment
aries

#20
Non Russian
12 августа 2008 19:10
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”How many Russians died from Chechen hands?”

I would offer to check internet, but around 100.000 plus another 500.000 wounded. Out of 1.3mln population those are horrifying numbers.

”messages about american bombing civilians”

Bombing was mainly during invasion. I would advice independent anti-American site like ”bodycount” to check.
> but Chechens died from Russian hands.

> What antiterrorist operation in 1994? Your memory appears to be very short.
”Excellent. Whatabout 9/11? It's also nothing in your opinion? But if it does than war in Chechnya was something of the kind for Russia. Roughly speaking.”

I am afraid first Chechen War was nothing like that at all. It was invasion of Chechnya and killing everybody who is moving. The second you could claim that something like that but please, extend your memory.

”So why don't you blame US first for civil war in 27 000 000 Iraq?”

I am blaming, but you are not your government for genocide.

”That's a very bad thing, of course. So how many people were massacred during USSR presence in the region and how many after the USSR ceased to exist?”

Half a million only in the Baltic states which ceased to exist till 1990, and at least 15 other countries which ceased to exist as independent countries and stayed till 1989 as puppet countries.

”It's a little number, really.” Is it little out of 4-5 millions? Oh, yes in Chechnya Russians achieved even better results.

#19
Russian
12 августа 2008 19:02
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> Russia invaded de facto independent Republic of Chechnya, you moron.

You were already killed in 1945, fascist. =)

Learn history - Republic of Chechnya is a part of Russia - always was and will be.

> If Soviet soldiers brought peace and freedom then why didn't they leave after WW2?
To let europeans destroy these countries like they do know?

Do you know how many people were planned to live on the Baltic States?

You must know, you're a fascist, or a baby who knows knothing but dare say his opinion?

> Why they started mass deportations instead?

How many were deported? Where? How? or it's just the fact of deportation that you know about?

> If Russia is "defending" Abkhazia then why is Suhhumi being looted and destroyed?

Why was Tshinval looted and destroyed?

You'll tellmothers about the children who died in the ruins?

That's it for you, fascist. See you on the battlefield.

> If Russia would liberate Baltic State and the rest of East Europe and leave those countries as they did with Austria, then statues of Russian soldiers and their graves were full with flowers up till now as they are in Austria.

You really think that Germans left Austria wilfully? Or that's what you've been told by propaganda?

> However, Russia changed one occupant to another and have not guts to admit it and change future to the brighter one.

Georgia attacked Tshinval. Georgia killed Russian citizens. We had agreement of peace making in the region. Georgia breached it.

You mean your country let its citizens die just like that? Ours - not.

> The problem is, that even if Russian would sincerely want to help somebody nobody would trust them as their tactic is to bully everybody into submission which never has changed since the creation of this country.

The problem is, that even if Russian would sincerely want to help somebody nobody would trust them because of propaganda.

So where was "democratic" press and world community during the first hours of war when georgians attacked civilians in Tskhinval?

Who was the first to speak about Georgians attack in UN?

Anyway, I hope we will leave in peace. I mean the world in general. And punish bastards who commit genocide like Georgians did.

I see your point as I think you see mine. We speak propaganda because none of us there witness the war. Hope you will think about some of your points and others will continue speak to you.

I'm quit. Let you be well.

#18
Fascist
12 августа 2008 18:54
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Nobody has forgiven nazis for what they did, dumbass.
Yes, you're right by saying "we're nothing compared to oldfashioned fascists" - you're 10 times more effective in killing and lying. Good for nobody.
"Who attacked first?"
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/03/world/europe/03georgia.html?_r=1&ref=world&ore
f=slogin
http://www.jamestown.org/edm/article.php?article_id=2373294
Kosovo is not S-Ossetia in any way.
Russia's "peacekeepers" and S-Ossetian "government" didn't keep their promises to keep peace in the region which is a part of Georgia.
"Democratic" press was in Beijing watching olympics.
Georgia doesn't need to declare war on its own territory, idiot.
Saakasvili has made at least two peace offers, Mr Nobody Medvedev none. So much for "keeping the peace".

#17
Russian
12 августа 2008 18:45
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> Civilian losses in Iraq are mainly because of sectarian war and Muslim terrorists (Americans do not blow themselves in a crowd),

Of course all these wars were in iraq before US invasion and US army has nothing to do with it. And of course videos and messages about american bombing civilians (occassionaly of course) are all fake. BTW, nobody else is allowed to bomb occassionaly civilian objects.

> but Chechens died from Russian hands.

How many Russians died from Chechen hands?

> What antiterrorist operation in 1994? Your memory appears to be very short.

Excellent. Whatabout 9/11? It's also nothing in your opinion? But if it does than war in Chechnya was something of the kind for Russia. Roughly speaking.

So why don't you blame US first for civil war in 27 000 000 Iraq?

Ah, yeah - they admitted.

> They invaded many countries including Baltic States and never admitted later.

That's a very bad thing, of course. So how many people were massacred during USSR presence in the region and how many after the USSR ceased to exist?

Of course I do not dare to name it - the consequnce of so called "imported democracy", no.

> For around 500.000 people of Russian freedom ended in Siberia and massgraves and for the rest 50 years of occupation. If you compare Russian freedom with freedom Baltic states had before Russians who together with Germans invaded Poland and started WWII, then there is nothing to compare.

It's a little number, really. Our pravozashitniki (traitors who position themselves as some human right defenders) say that Stalin killed and jailed millions of people though they never show place where millions lived and died and were buried and say how millions got there. As for fascists - there's plenty of evidence. Germans stroke first, we answered. I'm now alive because of this. Not all like it (not me but the very fact of our existence).

> You are right.

Yes, I am.

Hope you will never experience real bombing and genocide. Nobody wants war, evebody wants peace, so it's bad to supply arms, it's bad to train troops and it's bad to attack sivilians like Georgians did.

We've made what we must - the georgians are out of Osetia. The war is over if Georgians and US won't strike again.

#16
Non Russian
12 августа 2008 18:43
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If Russia would liberate Baltic State and the rest of East Europe and leave those countries as they did with Austria, then statues of Russian soldiers and their graves were full with flowers up till now as they are in Austria. However, Russia changed one occupant to another and have not guts to admit it and change future to the brighter one.

The problem is, that even if Russian would sincerely want to help somebody nobody would trust them as their tactic is to bully everybody into submission which never has changed since the creation of this country.

#15
Fascist
12 августа 2008 18:29
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Russia invaded de facto independent Republic of Chechnya, you moron. After FSB had planted the bombs in Moscow. Chechnya had all the necessary properties of an independent country except international recognition. Abkhazia is a little bit similar in that way, but S-Ossetia is just a puppet for Russia.
If Soviet soldiers brought peace and freedom then why didn't they leave after WW2? Why they started mass deportations instead?
If Russia is "defending" Abkhazia then why is Suhhumi being looted and destroyed?

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